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  RC 2016 Leaks & Releases

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in an effort to reduce the number of posts, this year i will try to add links to this post.

  now, on with the leaks & releases!

  first up.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nzvwhflss4.

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  Copy that, thank you wifibandit, for providing these releases and leaks!

  I wonder how many people will wake up this RC after seeing this shunning video??
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  Where did Jehovah go ?

  by Deleteandrestart in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for the many years i was mentally " in " the congregation, i equated the organisation as interchangeable with the persona of jehovah, in effect whatever the organisation said or thought, that was what jehovah thought and that was what jehovah said.... it was that simple.

  so when i found out the ttatt and the cynical moves of the organisation over the years,including 1975 , the donation arrangements, the united nations, etc i was devastated and thought " where's jehovah in all of this?".

  the god who i'd poured my heart out to on many occasions and who i thought was silently listening and hearing my pleas ..... was not there , .

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  Exactly, tornapart!! "No one has all the answers."!!! And doesn't this actually make us feel *more* humble?!?

  We feel more humble and connected to others and are more ready to listen to - and respect! - other people when we don't have all the answers!!

  Those arrogant so-and-so's in New York with all the answers -- bah!! to them. I shake them off as dust (doo-doo, actually!) on my feet.
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  This is how to motivate inactive ones!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  interesting take on how to motivate inactive ones.... https://www.lds.org/youth/video/reaching-out-through-love?lang=eng.

  it is interesting to compare and contrast witnesses and mormans....!.

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  Wow. At the end of the video' there was a voice-over saying something like, "... the work of reactivating someone is never easy...."

  JWs are also now using the word, "reactivate" when talking about getting "inactive ones" to be active again. Very weird!

  Also, the same "book study" type of meetings, and where everybody stares and passes judgement on you, constantly, constantly, and the exchange of looks among them if you are doing or saying anything not quite right...! Sooooo similar!!
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  I'm getting baptized

  by BlackWolf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know i've started similar topics before but this time i'm serious.

  my parents have been constantly pressuring me and after yesterday's watchtower study they asked me if i was going to be baptized this summer... and i said yes.

  i probably should have thought about it more before making a final decision, but they're pretty much forcing me to do it anyway.

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  I know this is hard for you, so hard and so unfair. You are being pressured into a situation/relationship that is supposed to be BETWEEN YOU AND JEHOVAH.

  When our daughter was younger, she was being pressured by people in the congregation to be baptized. She was around 13-14 years old! And even though I was a zealous, totally indoctrinated dubbie, I did not like the pressure others put on her, it was none of their business!

  She actually thanked me years later for not pressuring her, because she and I both knew she was not ready.

  Baptism is the trigger that pulls the shun-gun. I will repeat: BAPTISM IS THE TRIGGER THAT PULLS THE SHUN-GUN...!!!

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  And if you think the pressure is bad now, just wait till you are baptized!!!

  Then you will have to live up to EXPECTATIONS and FULFILLMENT OF YOUR VOW/S TO JEHOVAH. Field service! Commenting at meetings! Demos, school assignments! Bible study! Setting an example! 

  Your "spiritual" parents will continue to coerce you and pressure you, It is the way of this religious cult. Do more! Do more! Can't you do more?? Why aren't you doing more?? You are baptized now! Remember your dedication to Jehovah!

  The pressure is relentless! On and on it will go.

  Your baptism will become a "bludgeon" with which to beat you! (figuratively speaking.)

  I know you feel feel trapped.... I know this is hard.... But you have the "example of Jesus" and you can say that you want to be a footstep follower of Jesus, and that he waited until he was ready (30 years old!!) and you are feeling more pressured than ready.

  Let your parents know that you love them, you don't mean to let them down, but a decision this important should happen because you love Jehovah and want to serve him. And if they say, "but don't you love Jehovah already and want to serve him?"

  You can say, "You have taught me a lot about Jehovah and that the best way of life is to serve him.  I want to make the best decisions regarding my relationship with Jehovah, and I just don't feel ready. It scares me. I don't want to disappoint you, but I want to make a mature decision about this. HONESTLY, RIGHT NOW I DON'T FEEL READY." (Repeat, repeat, repeat.....)

  If they start going on about how baptism is a "protection" you can say that you believed it was about making a personal dedication to Jehovah, and having a relationship with him... and you really want to wait .... And scripturally, we have a model to follow closely.... and surely there isn't anything wrong with following Jesus' example? He wanted to be sure he did not bring reproach upon Jehovah. Say that you have given this much thought, and you need your parents to appreciate that this is YOUR decision.... and say that you *DON'T KNOW WHY* but in your gut/heart, you just don't feel ready.

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  This is not easy... We are here to support and help you, and we do know how difficult this is for you.

  No one should be pressured this way to be a member of a religion that will take everything away from you if you decide to leave!!
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  Gorby says goodbye

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my eyes for ttatt opened in 1995 with the generation change and the wt magazine stated "some witness thought that the generation started in 1914".

  since 1997, with internet at low speed, i followed h2o hourglass, www.xjw.com and later on www.jehovahs-witness.net.. did a bachelor and post bachelor since then.. now, nearly completed with fading, i feel it's time to go on with my life and do some other things, spending more time with my wife abd children instead of thinking about jw topics in my head.

  goal is being a better person and less grumpy at 45.... everything what could be said is already said.

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  All the best to you and yours, Gorby. I've enjoyed your comments and insights.

  - Muddy
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  2016 Convention Video Trailers

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkpr0je0g1e

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  Wow. Just. Wow.

  And the stupid "Coming Soon." thing at the end of their videos. !!!! What jerks. All they're missing is "... in theatres near you..." !! Coming Soon. !!!! Idiots. But oooooh, the dubs are supposed to be all excited at this little trailer-tease and look forward to the convention and all its exciting features. Coming soon! - just like Armageddon.

  The poor brother who is in all kinds of debt and who "just wants to die" (hello! Red flag! But no worries, he just temporarily upset....) But oh, let's see, Jehovah will probably bless him with a wonderful high-paying part time job, and all will be wonderful again (as long as he stays spiritually active on the spiritual-routine-treadmill!) 

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  And how can they show such violence and portrayals of such violence about to happen?? (Oh yeah, duh, it's in the bible so must be okay..!)

  Also, behold, the frantic female screaming in the background, "What is the matter with you!!?? OUR CHILDREN WILL DIE!!" Again, nice thing to have in an audience which includes very young children. I heard another similar line in the video trailer too,  something like, "We're all going to DIE!!!"

  It is so clear now to see the emotional manipulation, the fear tactics....

  And the encouraging of blind trust, obedience, and faith in Jehovah to provide one with the necessities of life when everything is going to hell in a hand basket.

  This stuff just makes me ill. It's just downright irresponsible.

  Not to mention the wonderment at the cost of all this -- fancy production, stage sets, photoshop, graphics, actors, costumes, etc. How much does it cost to produce all this?

  These Pharisee hypocrites have no bounds - and did you notice how so many of the characters are INAPPROPRIATELY SMILING when delivering bad news?? (the boss who is laying the guy off..... and a few other examples in the videos, too!) Just WEIRD and wrong. The JWs don't know how to act like normal people.

  This is crap. Total JW/GB/G.O.D. Crap.

  G.O.D - "Gaurdians of Doctrine"

  G.O.D. - Guilt, Obsession, Denial. (Or Demands!)

  Get 

  Over yourselves, 

  Dudes!!!!
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  Prince is dead.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone heard about this?

  that really sucks.

  lots of dubs are talking.

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  I remember watching the movie "Purple Rain" and being surprised at the way he portrayed himself - it was such a moody, broody, yet sensitive portrayal. He was a unique individual.

  And Natas, Elvis Presley was also surrounded by yes-men and enablers, but you can't deny his talent.
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  Chapter 2 of the Novel "New Boy"

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  chapter 2.

  the door to door salesman.

  so back in the nineteen fifties people bought all kind of things from door to door salesmen.

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  Nice work! You have a very fluid, conversational way of writing. Looking forward to reading more! Thank you. :)
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  NEW 2012 Elders book with 2015 Amendments

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thanks to jw archive wiki we have a pdf of the new elders book.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9z38909t3fh7c/2012-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-ks10_e.pdf?dl=0.

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  Muddy Waters

  Thank you, wifibandit!! Much appreciated!

  To think, that I, a lowly female, can look upon this sacred, secret document (more secret than the bible!! lol!!) and ponder its mysteries.... I mean, hypocrisies..... !!

  And also, to think!! -- that once upon a time I believed that my improper viewing of this sacred document would be akin to the sin of (Uzzah?) that guy who put out his hand to steady the ark of the covenant when it was going to fall.... the guy who was instantly killed for "his presumptuousness and overstepping his bounds." Geez. I could never understand that one, either. Was the (holy) ark supposed to fall to the ground and shatter? Maybe Jehovah figured he would miraculously step in to right the wobble, but not if he could kill somebody first for trying to be helpful.

  Hmm. Might that sound familiar? Let's kill or punish people who might want to help when THEY DONT KNOW THEIR PLACE!
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  What Are the Top JW Issues That Just Burn Your Buns the Most?

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  which ones make you the maddest?

  covering up of abuse, shunning, failed end of world predictions?.

  my list is long and heavy, but the top 3 that set me off the most are:.

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  I agree with everything everyone has said! It makes you see just how totally abhorrent is the WT cult!!

  What bothers and hurts me the most is the way I treated my non-JW family.... and it's too late for me to connect with or make amends with some of them as they have already died. Such like that breaks my heart....